If I were CCP I'd probably being looking for a player/group of players who were actually in Iceland at fanfest 2014 and who had a grudge against Gevlon. Don't you agree Alek?

Are you actually trying to excuses for the perpetrators. Shame on you Dave!

TL,DR: Someone (obviously Goons) hired Noir to take my POCOs.

What Goblin really needs is a proper spin psychiatric doctor
and somebody who keeps him away from the public.

He's constantly undermining his own efforts.

Kind of hilarious. ^_^

more whining

shouldn't you be thanking Noir for the great job they did during burn jita?

I think

So when would you say the contract ended?

So we agree it ended on Friday then when Noir was contacted. Good to know

Also, your job was to jam Goons which you didn't even attempted.

How about 5m/kill, 10m for pods? GSF only or all participating CFC forces?

-Aleks

All the CFC worth bounties.

Hi, 5M/kill is great,

No, their job was to ECM them, as per the link. Specifically the phrase "The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks." requests the use of ECM.

Here's the bit that seems to be tripping people up: ===>THIS REQUEST WAS NEVER REJECTED <===

If I could add more emphasis, I would, possible flashing text, ideally with sirens. Aleks never rejected ECM, in fact he stated he would use EAFs instead. He never said he wouldn't exploit GCC and instead use killrights to sabotage fleets before they were even on grid with their targets.

When you fail to explicitly say "no" to such a specific request, you're inviting trouble. There isn't even an interpretation where Aleks even implied "no". So, unless there's an entirely different conversation of which I'm unaware, Aleks goofed the contract, period.

If you read the mails backwards, you might be a little confused how the conversation starts with an agreement on "kills" only to have the client babble on about ECM ships, with no resolution.

FYI: Start reading from the bottom message, it'll make much more sense.

OK, we've established the order they're read in.

So, where did Aleks reject the plan to ECM the ships? Also, given that no ECM requires a different strategy and metric for payment, where were these etails discussed? I can't help but feel a chunk of the conversation is missing.

Could you at least point out why I'm wrong?

I think I've spotted where everything's going wrong.

"How about 5m/kill"

It seems you're interpreting this as "Pay us 5m for each Goon ship we kill". Unfortunately, the context of the conversation makes this particular interpretation pretty meaningless as I've laid out in this post.

A better interpretation is "Pay us 5m for each killmail that we ECM a GCC'd Goon" as this lines up with the context of the rest of the conversation, including the quote two sentences earlier: "Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile." which, beyond any shadow of a doubt means that ECM is still in play.

When an explicit "no, we won't do it the way you requested, here's an alternative" isn't present, then all we have is an implicit message. This is a poor contract negiotation practice at the best of times. The fact that "How about 5m/kill" as an implicit "no" makes no sense in the context of the conversation means that no rejection of Gevlon's proposal is present, explicitly or otherwise.

the fact Aleks confirmed Gevlon's request

It bears repeating: When you realise you're wrong, you're better off admitting your mistakes than divorcing your posts from reality.

They say confession is good for the soul.